Getting close to the end...
Added 833 days ago on May 23rd, 2008
Puerto Rico next Sunday, then Montana and South Dakota on the following Tuesday and the Amazing Democratic Rollercoaster aka the primaries are over. Thrills, horror, glorious victories, resounding defeats, twists, turns, nailbiting, cheers and laughter, the primaries had something for everyone and the winner seems to be Barack Obama.
But lately, there are some clouds in his blue skies that could still rain on his parade.
The results in West Virginia and Kentucky were massive slaps in the face for him and looking at his results, outspending Clinton 2-1 was a waste of money.
More disturbing is the fact that Obama failed to win ANY district in West Virginia and that he was reduced to the urban centers in Kentucky, while he lost some of the rural districts 7-93!
Even more disturbing and eyebrow-raising are the latest polls from all the pollsters: Obama improves his numbers in some states, loses a bit in others, but basically, the margin in the Electoral College remains unchanged. McCain leads against Obama, because Obama fails to win enough states beyond the traditional blue states. So he is 28 votes short of 270 www.electoral-vote.com/ev.....Maps/May23.html
The perception of this electability will be influenced by his performance in the remaining contests.
So, which of the remaining primaries is Obama going to win?


Added by: bish66
Votes: 138
Ratings: 6
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Which of the remaining primaries will Obama win?
All three
24%
Just South Dakota
3.6%
None of the three
41%
Montana + Puerto Rico
0.7%
South Dakota + Puerto Rico
0%
Just Montana
3.6%
Just Puerto Rico
0.7%
Montana + South Dakota
27%
Closed on June 22nd, 2008
This is not a scientific survey, click here to learn more. Results may not total 100% due to rounding and voting descrepencies.
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Posted by: cahober
6:50am, May 23rd, 2008
Re: Getting close to the end...
A "massive slap in the face" is Hillary refusing to count those of us in cacus states that voted overwhelmingly for OBAMA!
Yet she wants to make sure none of the voters in FL or MI are disenfranchised...what a hypocrite!
She cannot have it both ways and will continue this divisive and destructive campaingn of hers and hope all you supporteres will bail her out of her massive debt!
The writing in on the wall and the fat lady has started singing!

YES WE CAN, and YES WE WILL! Go OBAMA!
Posted by: bish66
8:08am, May 23rd, 2008
Re: Getting close to the end...
As far as I know, the voters in caucus states have been counted. At least they had official numbers or at least estimates of the number of participants.

I think caucuses are a boneheaded invention and should be forbidden for the next primaries. There is no secrecy, too much possibility of intimidation and no chance to vote early or absentee. And you have the problem with the numbers.

States like caucuses, because they are cheaper, but primaries attracted more people. I think secret ballots are fairer and much closer to the real election thing.
Posted by: frances2533
8:43am, May 23rd, 2008
Re: Getting close to the end...
bish66:

In the caucus we had here in Kansas it started at 7pm, everywhere throughout the state, and lasted about 2 hours or so, but we got to sit down once they had checked your registration card. There were people of all ages and backgrounds there for both camps, though Obama won overwhelmingly by 70%.

You don't like caucuses why? because our people were more motivated than yours to show up?

And what cahober is referring to is that Hillary has dissed any state that held a caucus by saying that they don't really count, that only activists vote in caucuses. All it is really is a way of saying we were more involved and more motivated to participate, and what the heck is wrong with that? It's only wrong because we didn't vote for her? If it had turned out the other way, i guarantee she would not be complaining about it: she's an opportunist.
Posted by: frances2533
8:48am, May 23rd, 2008
Re: Getting close to the end...
There was a separate room for either candidate ( at least at the location i was at), so it was unlikely that you could be intimidated in our caucus.

In my state more people turned out for Democrats than for Republicans this year by about 10,000 and this was before the Rush Limbaugh deal where he asked republicans to vote for Hillary so that McCain would have what they perceived as a weaker opponent in the general election.
Posted by: rmitch3642
8:49am, May 23rd, 2008
Re: Getting close to the end...
I am from California, quite a big POPULATED state! It is my understanding that the logical reasoning that is behind counting "pledged delegates" noy popular vote is to prevent states like California from essentially deciding the vote, while smaller population states would not play a "proportionate role" in the presendential election.

I don't see why the Obama campaign would have to explain anything to the public or super delegates for his fair awarded win. I find it insulting to think I need the voting process explained to me with Hillary's new way of counting. Hillary went into this race knowing that popular vote does not count in a "literal" sense. Are we once again thinking of "changing the rules" to benefit a sore loser? If Hillary did not like this "process" why has she not been working to change it over the years? I will tell you why, because she figured she had this election in the bag and now that it is slipping away she has decided she has to come up with new ways to count the votes.

As a women, I am beyond embarrassed by this female. She is making women across the country look pathetic, weak and delusional in the wake of "losing a career opportunity". I fear what she is teaching young women

All men should be put on warning, if America supports Hillary in her delusion and bad behavior...then women will begin to think it just fine and fair to undermine men at every turn in the work force. Trust me, as a women I know that the female gender is FAR more manipulative then any man could ever dream of being....and Hillary takes this manipulation to new heights. Don't say I didn't warn you.

Get her out now, before she does more damage!
Posted by: moblou
6:00pm, May 23rd, 2008
Re: Getting close to the end...
Women have been messed over for many years by the Democrat Party and it appears that millions of "US" will be returning the favor, should this primary season continue on its current path. Hillary Clinton is clearly the best choice to be our party's nominee for President. As a life-long Democrat, age 55, I think the way my party has hosed Hillary and their most loyal and largest voting block; women intolerable. I am confident the Democrat Party will pay a severe price for this blatant assault on women in November. Cry all you want about this being "sour grapes" but little good will result from your on-going efforts to rally Hillary's staunch supporters around your chosen candidate instead of the people's choice. Now, the Democrat Party leaders want women to get their pre- selected from the start, elite, wimp, Barack Obama elected in November. It will be cold day in hell before I comply and I also hope Hillary walks away from this Party. Most of the women, and many men as well, with whom I have contact are finished with the Democrat Party, now and forever. Also, many of "US" are starting a grassroots movement to insure these kind of sorry tactics employed by my now soon to be former party, never happen again. This clear favoring of Obama, making him the nominee because the party doesn't want a woman, especially a Clinton woman, is more that I can tolerate. Of all the gall, the Democrat Party now expects "US" girls, including Hillary, to turn over our undying support to Obama. Sorry guys, this is not going to happen. Obama has no shot of winning in November without Hillary's help and all of us, her supporters. Not on your life or in your wildest dreams is this going to happen. Democrat Party leaders take heed and you superdelegates had better wait to declare your support until the final results of all the primaries are tallied and the voices of all 50 states and territories are heard from. At that time, the real nominee of the people can be declared for the fall election. Let it be known that the damage has already been done to the largest voting block in America. However, it remains to be seen how deep these "bitterly disappointing and highly blatant attacks" are to women. In my mind, this is a travesty and affects all women of America. I for one will change my registration to Independent, and possibly Republican, on the day I vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton at the KY state convention. Bye, bye and good riddance from Mary O'Bryan, Louisville, KY, to my former party, no matter what happens in the primaries left to come.
Posted by: bish66
3:57am, May 25th, 2008
Re: Getting close to the end...
frances2533,
I don't like caucuses,

because far less people participate, turnout for primaries is much higher

because you can't vote early
because you can't vote absentee

because you don't have a paper trail

because a vote should be secret

because an open vote is an invitation to put social pressure on your opponent

because a vote should be a vote and everybody should only have one vote. In caucuses, you can change your vote from Richardson to Edwards to Obama and back again

and rmithc3642, first a friendly "Hi" to the Golden State :-)
Clinton is fighting for her dream (and for the dreams of millions of Americans) Imagine that she had called it quits after Super Tuesday or after the sting of defeats in February.

Would it have been better for women in America, if she had dropped out of the race, if she had held the door open for Obama and if she had disappeared in the background, into the place where women are always pressed in our oh-so-modern society?

"She only gave up, because women are weaker, men are stronger, politics are not for women, women can't handle an election, they are not strong enough to lead, let's get back into the kitchen, party's over" Isn't that what people would have said if she had dropped out?
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