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msnbc.msn.com — Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois came under a full-out assault Tuesday night from Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in their last debate before crucial primaries in Ohio and Texas that could make or break Clinton's campaign.

Clinton has heatedly attacked Obama in the past week, accusing him of distorting her record on trade in mass mailings to Ohio voters, and she stayed on the attack Tuesday night.

"I have a great deal of respect for Senator Obama, but we have differences, and in the last several days, some of those differences in tactics and choices that Senator Obama's campaign has made ... have been very disturbing to me," she said at the outset of the debate.

Dispute over details of health care plan
The flashpoint was a pair of mailings from the Obama campaign to Ohio voters that she said unfairly depicted her positions on health care coverage and the North American Free Trade Agreement.

Clinton objected to Obama's accusation that she advocated measures to force all Americans to purchase health care coverage. Obama repeated the charge in the first exchange of the debate Tuesday, describing her position as a "mandate" to buy coverage.

"It's been unfortunate that Senator Obama has consistently said that I would force people to have health care [coverage] whether they can afford it or not," she said. "We should have a good debate that uses good information, not false, misleading and inaccurate information."

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Posted 2247 days ago
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Great Job Hillary!!!!

Hey, Obama, comfy? Need a pillow.
Posted 2247 days ago
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Very disappointed with Tim Russert. Thought he had more decency than that.
Obvious bias...too obvious.
Great Job Hillary.
Posted 2247 days ago
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We need to be very serious about this. Hillary is OBVIOUSLY the superior candidate. Listen, guys, we need to just be honest here!

Not only is she flat out more experienced and qualified, but she has far more command over all the issues. Obama's ...youth, and lack of experience is glaringly noticeable. Why can't he come back after he has actually done something?

I really liked that her youtube "Hillary mocks Obama" video was shown and that Obama took it so well. It was really cool to see Hillary's sense of humor and her laughter is really great to see--I loved that.

Also, I think Hillary made a valid point by bringing up a "woman for President" would be a "SEA CHANGE"...wow. You know, I respect Obama for being the first really possible biracial President, but he's still a man (clearly). Every single President has been a man (clearly). Clearly, the "real change" would be a woman President! Clearly, the real change would be a very qualified person for the job after what he have dealt with!

I also really liked that she described herself as a FIGHTER. Yes, Hillary, that is right--you are a fighter, and you stand up against injustices. Hillary has been attacked for decades now, and the Republicans have done absolutely everything in their power to tear her down--but she still stands!! Hillary is so strong, it's really admirable, and she has always stood up and fought for people who were powerless.

We NEED that!!

Listen, her healthcare plan is better. Period. Why would anyone not want ALL Americans to have healthcare?? Have a heart! Really think about that. You wouldn't be paying for other people's care--we already do that!

Her energy plan--green collar jobs--jobs that can never be shipped away. That's American jobs that must stay in America. Texas, Ohio, and PA, RI, and Vermont need that--as well as the rest of the country. Also, getting the oil companies to PAY for energy programs for Americans--c'mon, we are getting robbed blind at the gas pump. It's not fair that these people are making billions while we are counting pennies!

Credit card rate capping (we know how credit card companies like to suck us dry). Freezing mortgage payments--and fighting predatory mortgage lending companies, and working with the bank to solve this very serious housing market problem. I do think that a good fraction of America is on the verge of homelessness.
Plus, making college affordable by fixing the outrageous school loans we deal with.

Plus, of course, ending this war in a sppedy, yet responsible and safe manner.

Please vote for Hillary.

Hillary is clearly the more Presidential candidate!

The "American Dream" is the middle-class. You know, to try to have your own little space in the world that is all yours--to have good health and pursue happiness. Hillary wants to preserve the American Dream, and lift the poor up into the light of that American Dream-to give them the opportunity to to do well, and feel really great about being a self-sufficient and happy and healthy American.

Can't you see?

She is the one who will PHYSICALLY make it happen!

Please, don't allow your vote to go to this young and experienced man who is too idealistic and not realistic enough. Let's vote for him years down the road, after he has proven himself to be experienced. We need someone who is a seriously hard worker who will always have a critical eye to the real issues facing all of us. Someone like Hillary who is a fighter for all our rights! Hillary is a fighter for our dreams! Hillary is a fighter for our health, safety, and happiness. It's important.

Hillary in 08!!
Posted 2247 days ago
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onevoice--Agreed--My son was in another room listening and asked " Why are they so mean and rude to her?" I said " They have been all along" For those who would disagree, again you didn't pay attention. I think Obama was asked one question where he got a little ruffled -imagine if he had been pounded as much as Hillary has throughout this whole campaign. He always comes across as being quite annoyed by tough questions. I love the comment Hillary made about the "Pillow" . Truth hurts. After the debate I turned the channel-so tired of hearing the media pick HER apart. If you listen to the media she has lost every debate and Obama was wonderful. So not true. I live in upstate New York. A small rural community-a few years ago, the largest employer in our area announced that they were leaving--some people as she said quit the jobs they were going to lose and moved elsewhere. A few months ago it was announced that a buyer had been found and the jobs and pay would remain-sigh of relief for many people here. Hillary Clinton was very instrumental in saving these jobs-working together with others to find a buyer. She went to bat for us -working with others and got results. Negative tone?? This was a debate!!! The so-called political experts complain no matter what she does--she was either to chummy or she was a "Bitch"--the attacks on her are endless and uncalled for. Hillary can handle and answer the tough questions with confidence-Obama becomes very annoyed with tough questions. I have supported Hillary from the beginning and will continue to support her. The negative tone is set by the media-Brian Williams was decent and always does his best to be respectful--Tim Russert was very harsh and rude toward Hillary. Well , I do not need their input-I know who my candidate is--Great Job Hillary!!!!
Posted 2246 days ago
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Were we watching the same debate? There are real distinctions between these candidates, but if you're going to make stuff up to suit your view or close your eyes to what you actually see in front of you, then spare us all your rants and don't waste our time. Having watched several of the 20 debates, what I saw last night was another example of how Hillary may be hardened, but she is not the kind of fighter we need. Her type of fighter is someone whose immediate response to differences of opinion is to take the defensive and assume the fighting stance, closing off her mind to others' views the second she realizes they don't agree with her. Hillary Clinton is intelligent, no doubt, but she isn't always right. In contrast, Obama actually listens to what his opponents are saying, then responds with equanimity, not just confronting, but trying to reason with, or even include, those with different views. He will fight for what he believes, but only when other means of resolution have failed.

If you would take the time to stop repeating empty claims that he is all rhetoric and actually listen to what he says, you will hear a depth of knowledge, a depth of consideration, and even a type of wisdom that has been absent in public and political discourse on the national stage for a very long time (Pres WJ Clinton?).

If you're already ironclad in your beliefs, than I've just wasted my time. If you really want to have an informed view and help this country become better than it already is, go pull the transcript, or even re-watch any of the debates (ah, modern technology!). Don't rely on any news outlet, be it TV, a paper or a blog, but after reviewing the material, just take a step back and a moment to let it all coalesce. Your conclusions might come as a surprise.

Also:

Putting things in caps emphasizes the strength of your belief, but doesn't make it so.

You don't have to agree with the SNL skit to find it funny.
Posted 2246 days ago
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uney 1992

Obama will be the Democratic nominee for President. He is already showing the poise, wisdom, and temperment to be the next President of the United States. Hillary is all over the map. You never know who is going to show up, Dr. Jekyll or Mrs Hyde. Could she be Bipolar? Obama's new nickname is Icewata' Obama. He's got icewata' in his veins. Never shakin', never stirred.

It's funny how Hillary can whine about mailers going out about her, but she did the same thing to Obama and he didn't cry and whine about it. If you can't run with the "BIG DAWGS" Hillary then stay on the porch. Quit cryin'!!! Definitely don't need a president like that.

Hillary is saying she has more qualifications and experience than Barack, but it's funny how all those years of experience and wisdom she claims to have didn't make her vote against the war that she says she is opposed too.

It also seems that her wisdom and experience would have helped her stay humble from the beginning of the campaign, which she didn't do. "It's not a very long run. It'll be over by Feb. 5." Really? Hillary the American people might have a lil' sumthin' sumthin' to say about that. Last time I checked you were LOSING! Classic case of constipation on the brain and diarrhea at the mouth.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Hillarys_miscalculation.html

America has voted Hillary and they don't believe you can beat McCain but they believe Obama can.

Nuff said.
Posted 2246 days ago
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Posted 2246 days ago
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To denden91,

Well, I think it's a little bit humorous to say that Obama did not "whine" about any mailers that Clinton's campaign sent out....he DID whine, afterall....he mentinoed it at the debate!! Complaining and whining while saying that you are not whining is still whining.

I don't think Obama is very poised at all, and I do not think he is a good speaker. I think he is a good preacher, a preacher sort of speaks in metaphors, and analogies, and symbolic gestures and word associations. I don't think he is a good enough political "speaker" because he stumbles around his words, he stammers quite a bit, and his thoughts and responses were disjointed and sometimes somewhat off topic. (Not a change in topic, simpy wrong-off topic.)

Honestly, I can tell that he simply does not have the same political knowledge as Hillary, nor does he seem aware of global issues on the same level as Hillary.

Furthermore, it is true that they both have similar plans, but Hillary's are far more defined and she is an expert in healthcare and domestic issues, as well as foreign relations. As far as war, she sits on the armed services committee.

Listen, Obama should have done this later on, maybe in another 4 to 8 years. He truly needs to build on his experience and branch out from his fairly narrow-minded lifestyle and he needs to learn about other cultures and be sensitive to that.

I think true Democrats need to vote for Hillary. It wil only strengthen the party.

I have a very bad feeling that Obama is weakening the Democrats. I really don't understand why people think that Obama is unifying and uniting??

Blacks vs. Whites
Whites vs. Blacks
Women vs. Men
Men vs. Women
Jews vs. Muslim
Jews vs. Blacks
Blacks vs. Jews
Muslims vs. Jews
Whites vs. Muslims
Diverse Americans vs. Muslim
Muslims vs. Jews
Muslims vs. Diverse Americans

Obama is NOT uniting us, if anything, he is adding to a sense of growing sexism, racism, anti-semitism, anti-americanism....etc.

His background is too controversial for most of the United States to cope with. Remember, not everyone in the USA votes. I think there would be a very....outraged majority of people and I do not think that would help our country to feel happy.

Also, people are coming down off the Obama high and they are regretting their votes. They just are. People are wisening up to how biased the media has been and how all the "polls" are hardly even accurate. Look at even this website...I mean i person votes and McCain is the 100% WINNER in a poll!! It's silly.

I'd like to see a real change: A Woman President. It's always been MEN.

Hillary is the smartest and she is the most Presidential.

Hillary 08!!
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Posted 2246 days ago
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CommonMan---If Obama had been asked and confronted with the kind of grilling questions that Hillary has been asked, he would be as defensive as you say Hillary is. He is very uncomfortable with questions he dosen't like also-he just hasn't been asked as many. Hillary isn't always right?? Who said she was --who is?? Just about everything Obama stands for -Hillary stood for first. Voicing your opinion is not a waste of time-it is our right and privilege. But I still support Hillary.
denden91--the American people also had something to say in the last two elections-look at the mess we are in-voting for Bush-not once but twice--talk about judgement. Wasn't me!!

Bush took us to war-period--not Hillarys' vote-she trusted him to use diplomacy--he betrayed that trust and took us to war--to continue to use this against Hillary is absurd.
Yet the voters gave George W. Bush two terms--Move forward people-Experience is going to be a big plus to try to fix what Bush messed up.
Posted 2245 days ago
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Uney, I've debunked your post about five times already. Stop with the reducio ad hitlerum logic.
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Posted 2244 days ago
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Clinton aides had hand in Dubai deal

Clinton advisers' outside lobbying work for firm to take over defense plants accents their awkward position
BY GLENN THRUSH - Newsday Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON - In the spring, when Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton was denouncing the Dubai Ports World deal, a consulting firm run by her top advisers was quietly lobbying for a Dubai takeover of two U.S. defense plants, Newsday has learned.

The Glover Park Group, whose principals include Clinton insiders Howard Wolfson, Joe Lockhart and Gigi Georges, was paid about $100,000 to help the government-owned Dubai International Capital Corp. in its acquisition of the British engineering firm Doncasters Group Ltd.

The four-month lobbying effort apparently didn't include any contact with Clinton's office. "They [Glover Park] didn't have contact with us on either" of the Dubai deals, said Clinton spokesman Philippe Reines.

But it underscores the awkwardness of Clinton's political kitchen cabinet being housed inside a firm that features one of Washington's most aggressive and fast-growing lobbying operations.

Clinton and Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), who helped to sink the takeover of port operations by a Dubai company, supported the Doncasters acquisition, saying it didn't pose nearly as significant a security threat.

Glover Park's contract with Dubai was channeled through the Los Angeles law office of Raj Tanden, the brother of longtime Hillary Clinton policy adviser Neera Tanden, according to people familiar with the situation.

Raj Tanden, who represented the emirate's royal family in its 2005 acquisition of $1 billion in U.S. real estate holdings, declined to comment. His sister didn't return a message left at her office yesterday.

Neera Tanden served as a congressional liaison for Bill Clinton before moving on to become a key Hillary Clinton campaign aide and the senator's legislative director.

The Doncasters takeover was much less controversial than the ports deal, mainly because Dubai officials submitted to a full review by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States. The Bush administration infuriated Congress by forgoing a review for the ports takeover, provoking a powerful bipartisan backlash that doomed the deal.

Doncasters, which makes tank and aircraft turbines in its Connecticut and Georgia plants, was approved by the government foreign investment committee in May. Some critics, including Rep. John Barrow (D-Ga.), argued that Mideast officials shouldn't be allowed to control factories used by defense contractors.

Considering the firestorm that surrounded the Dubai Ports World proposal, it's surprising that the controversy-allergic Clinton team agreed to lobby for Dubai at all.

The contract was signed April 13, only a month after the ports deal went down in flames over concerns the emirate was a breeding ground for some of the Sept. 11 hijackers.

It also came on the heels of columnist Robert Novak's report that Bill Clinton unsuccessfully urged Dubai officials to hire Glover partner Lockhart as their spokesman. A Clinton spokesman didn't deny the account.

Glover Park's lobbying team, led by former Clinton White House staffer Joel Johnson, met with Schumer's staff, House Homeland Security Chairman Peter King (R-Seaford) and Senate Democrats, including Carl Levin of Michigan.

Johnson said his goal was to assure skeptical legislators that Doncasters was no reprise of the ports debacle.

"We wanted to ... respond to any concern in order to assure members that this was consistent with our national security interests," he said.

Who was involved

The Glover Park Group - known as the "White House in Exile" - was founded five years ago by a group of top advisers to Bill and Hillary Rodham Clinton, including former White House communications director Joe Lockhart and key Hillary Clinton advisers Gigi Georges and Howard Wolfson, who don't engage in lobbying but are apprised of the firm's lobbying efforts.

Staff who lobbied on behalf of Dubai:

Joel Johnson: former senior adviser for policy and communications, Clinton White House.

Susan Brophy: former deputy director of legislative affairs, Clinton White House. Married to Gerald McGowan, Clinton's ambassador to Portugal.

Brett O'Brien: foreign policy adviser to former Senate Democratic Majority Leader George Mitchell.
Posted 2242 days ago
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Rezko cash triple what Obama says
DONATIONS | $168,000 traced to indicted businessman, associates over the years
BY CHRIS FUSCO AND TIM NOVAK Staff Reporters/cfusco@suntimes.com tnovak@suntimes.com

During his 12 years in politics, Sen. Barack Obama has received nearly three times more campaign cash from indicted businessman Tony Rezko and his associates than he has publicly acknowledged, the Chicago Sun-Times has found.

Obama has collected at least $168,308 from Rezko and his circle. Obama also has taken in an unknown amount of money from people who attended fund-raising events hosted by Rezko since the mid-1990s.

But seven months ago, Obama told the Sun-Times his "best estimate" was that Rezko raised "between $50,000 and $60,000" during Obama's political career.

Obama, who wants to be the nation's next president, has been purging some of those donations - giving charities more than $30,000 he got from Rezko and three of his business partners referenced in Rezko's federal indictments. All three attended a lavish fund-raiser Rezko hosted for Obama four years ago.

Obama, however, has kept $6,850 from others who also are referenced in Rezko's indictments. Obama also has hung on to contributions from doctors whom Rezko helped appoint to a state-government panel involved in some of Rezko's alleged fraud schemes.

"We've made our best effort to run the most ethical campaign possible in all ways and release donations when appropriate," Obama's press secretary, Bill Burton, said Friday.
Posted 2242 days ago
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Sticks by estimate - Continuation of the article above.

Burton said Obama can only estimate how much money Rezko has raised for him. Obama's staff, he said, only knows of one fund-raiser Rezko hosted for Obama - a June 27, 2003, cocktail party at Rezko's mansion.
Sources close to both Rezko and Obama, however, said Rezko raised money often for Obama.

Burton said Friday the campaign was sticking by its original estimate that Rezko raised no more than $60,000.

The cocktail party Rezko hosted in 2003 came at a critical time for Obama. He and Rezko timed it to help Obama show he had enough money to compete in the Democratic primary for U.S. Senate against millionaire Blair Hull and state Comptroller Dan Hynes.

"This was discussed a lot. They wanted to have a good showing," said a source familiar with the fund-raiser, speaking on condition of anonymity.

"Tony was one of the biggest fund-raisers."

At the time of the party, the state was in the process of foreclosing on a low-income apartment building Rezko's company rehabbed in Obama's state Senate district - a rehab project on which Obama's law firm worked. Rezko had also abandoned many other low-income apartments, leaving numerous vacant units in need of major repairs.

Rezko was indicted in October 2006 in unrelated fraud schemes.

Between 75 and 80 people attended Rezko's cocktail party, according to Burton, but he said the campaign has no list of the guests.

More than half a dozen people who were there said between 100 and 150 guests were treated to an open bar and food served by Jewell Events Catering, run by renowned Chicago caterer George Jewell. Valets parked cars for the guests, who each were asked to donate at least $1,000.

Rezko picked up the tab. The exact cost of the party has never been disclosed to the Federal Election Commission, which allows hosts to pay up to $2,000 for fund-raisers held in their homes and not report the expense. If a party costs more than $2,000, the candidate must tell the FEC about it.

Burton said, based on a conversation a former Obama staff member had with Rezko, that the party didn't cost more than $2,000.

Three days after the cocktail party, Obama got donations from several Rezko associates, Obama's campaign records show.
Posted 2242 days ago
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Now Rezko has been indicted and his court date starts tomorrow.

Who knows what is going to unravel?
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